they are off of the tax-paying payroll because of that tax reform and they're keeping the tax money there. to help the poor, will have a commitment to the programs and those programs will go on and we're spending more in poverty programs today than we were in 1981. that is a fact. the poverty program we will concentrate on is creating jobs and opportunities so that everyone will have the opportunities that they want. >> senator bentsen, your response. >> i find that very interesting. because he has been of no help at all when it comes to passing the most major welfare reform bill in the history of our country, one where we're working very hard to see that people can get off welfare, break that cycle, take a step up in life, learn the kinds of things that we did there to let them have medicaid for a year. that is a positive thing. what also frustrates me with the kind of report i just heard here is the kind of votes that he has passed against john nutrition programs. the fact that he has the tydeus me that we needed for further immunization, the denial of polio shots for kids of the parent